| 本帖最后由 linlev 于 2016-8-18 22:49 编辑 一直都想买个冲顶包，用于单日营地到目的地之间往返（包括阿式攀登），或者大包托马随身背小包（这种包已经有两个了），也有玩儿攀冰的打算。希望包能装下相机（D800+1635），最好能收纳进大包（这个和背负是个矛盾）。最近几天狠狠的搜索了一番，分享下劳动成果。也希望有用过的朋友分享下使用感受。 lz喜欢 红-橙颜色，所以选择的图片大多以红色为主。另外大小，目前考虑30左右，所以有的系列有更大的这里也不提了（除了刚好查到了更大的） lz并无攀冰经验，雪山登顶经验也仅一次。一些个人评论观点也只是从官方数据得出或其它复制评论，若有错误指出，还望指出。 引用的英文介绍，lz英语不好，就不翻译了。 发贴目的一是找个地方再认真整理一下几款包（lz是个包控），二是希望听听前辈些的使用感受。 正题开始。 ====================================================== 目录： 1. Arcteryx Cierzo 18L / 28L 2. Arcteryx Alpha FL 30 / 45 3. Black Diamond Axis 33 // Speed Zip 33 4. Black Diamond Speed 30 5. Black Diamond Mission 35 6. Gregory Alpinisto 35L / 50L 7. Gregory Mountain Products Verte 25 8. Mammut Trion Guide 35 Plus 7 / 45+7 9. Mammut Trion Matterhorn 35+7 10. Mammut Trion Zip 28 11. Mammut Trion Nordwand 35 12. Mammut Trion Pro 35 Plus 7 / 50+7 13. Mountain Hardware South Col 70 OutDry 14. Mountain Hardware Direttissima™ 35 OutDry 15. OSPREY Variant 37 16. 还有哪些呢？ |
| 本帖最后由 linlev 于 2016-8-18 23:06 编辑 先是鸟包 Cierzo 18L / 28L 18L： https://arcteryx.com/product.aspx?language=ZH&category=Packs&subcat=Daypacks&model=Cierzo-18-Backpack  28L：https://arcteryx.com/product.aspx?language=ZH&category=Packs&subcat=Daypacks&model=Cierzo-28-Backpack  这款包的优点就是超轻（18升的370克，28升的540克），而且能折叠到很小容易收纳。不过包软，没有背负系统，肩带腰带看图片都觉得软。 老款的Ciezo没有侧包和水袋水管出口，取水很不方便， 16年新款增加了水管出口。没有红色。另感觉包很薄，塑料口袋一样。 完整功能列表 技术特点 •轻量 •可压缩打包 结构 •可拆卸海绵背垫 背包口袋设计 •正面拉链口袋配内侧储物袋和钥匙扣 背包水化系统 •Hydroport™吸管通道，带有用于固定水囊的内部夹子 背包背负设计 •可拆卸胸带 •3.8cm/ 1.5in织腰带 •带软垫可调背带 背包装包及开口结构 •顶部开口 •抽绳开口 •可调顶部带子可用来压捆背包或将攀登绳索绑扎在背包外 背包压缩带设计 •Swiftcord™抽绳压缩系统 •抽绳可存放在外侧正面口袋 |
| 本帖最后由 linlev 于 2016-8-18 22:55 编辑 BD Axis 33 // Speed Zip 33   Axis应该是老名字，更新后为Speed Zip，看外观几乎一样的。 除了33升，另有24升款。 https://blackdiamondequipment.com/en/climbing-packs/speed-zip-33-pack-BD681181_cfg.html Redesigned shoulder straps and thermoformed backpanel Zippered clamshell top opening with zippered top pocket and tuck-away rope strap Micro ice-tool PickPockets™ and removable 20 mm crampon straps Strippable design: removable hipbelt with fixed webbing belt, removable framesheet and removable foam bivy pad Hydration compatible TECH SPECS Volume : [S/M] 31 L (1,892cu in) [M/L] 33 L (2,014 cu in) Average Stock Weight : [S/M] 1.20 kg (2 lb 10 oz) [M/L] 1.20 kg (2 lb 10 oz) Materials : 210d ripstop main, 420d abrasion |
| BD Speed 30 还有22升、40升、50升三个大小的。 30升官网地址： https://blackdiamondequipment.com/en/climbing-packs/speed-30-pack-BD681178_cfg.html   （老款颜色） Redesigned shoulder straps and thermoformed backpanel Top-loading, with removable lid, drawcord skirt closure and tuck-away rope strap Micro ice-tool PickPockets™, three-point haul system and removable 20 mm crampon straps Strippable design: removable hipbelt with fixed webbing belt and removable framesheet that doubles as a bivy pad Hydration compatible 顶包可拆开，兼容饮水系统。腰带可换/拆? TECH SPECSVolume : [S/M] 28 L (1,700 cu in)[M/L] 30 L (1,830 cu in)Average Stock Weight : [S/M] 1.14 kg (2 lb 8 oz)[M/L] 1.16 kg (2 lb 9 oz)Materials : 210d ripstop main, 420d abrasion |
| 本帖最后由 linlev 于 2016-8-18 23:07 编辑 BD mission 35  颜色无爱。 正面那突出来的地方是绑冰爪的吗？ 官网地址 https://blackdiamondequipment.com/en/climbing-packs/mission-35-pack-BD681188_cfg.html SwingArm™ shoulder straps and thermoformed backpanel Top-loading, with removable lid, drawcord skirt closure and tuck-away rope strap Ice-tool PickPockets™ and crampon pouch Strippable design: removable hipbelt with fixed webbing belt and removable framesheet Hydration compatible TECH SPECS Volume : [S/M] 33 L (2,014 cu in) [M/L] 35 L (2,136 cu in) Average Stock Weight : [S/M] 1.61 kg (3 lb 6 oz) [M/L] 1.63 kg (3 lb 7 oz) Materials : 420d nylon 真不轻。。 另有75（1.77kg），55，45大小的。感觉75的还不错，和下面山浩那款定位差不多。 |
Alpinisto 35  这款包个人比较喜欢，有35L和50L两个大小。 黄色是老款，16年新款只有黑色和蓝色了。 https://gregorypacks.com/backpacking/alpine-ski/alpinisto-35/5960ALP35.html The Alpinisto 35 is a supremely capable mountain pack, ready to tackle a full day of ice climbing, ski touring, or mountaineering thanks to its wide range of alpine-specific features. 35-liter capacity and strippable design allow you to travel fast and light with minimal gear or go fully equipped and loaded to the brim, using the support of Fusion Flex suspension to keep you moving efficiently at high altitude.• Stowable crampon pocket with puncture-resistant TPU panel • Stowable, adjustable ice axe attachments • Removable HDPE framesheet, aluminum frame stay, bivy pad, and hipbelt padding • Top-loading design with side zip access to main compartment • Fixed lid pocket with occipital cutout and security pocket on underside • Single wand pocket • Side compression straps with integrated ice axe retention • Hydration sleeve with locking zip hose port • Rope strap and emergency haul loops • Expedition hipbelt with dual gear loops and ice clipper slots • High-visibility exterior and interior liner • Dual-layer HD nylon bottom panelVolume: 31 L Access Point: Top/ Pannel • Weight: 3.2 lbs. （1.45公斤）Body Dimensions: 34.0" x 16.0" x 9.0" 腰带可拆，侧面有拉链打开后就是主仓。兼容饮水系统。50升的背负支架可拆出（35的似乎不能）。可挂滑雪单双板。 |
| Verte 25 https://gregorypacks.com/backpacking/verte-25/64984XXXX.html  黄色是老款。新款只有黑色和蓝色。 The Verte 25 is built for high-speed missions in the high alpine, with the ability to stuff into its own pocket for maximum portability. Suitable as a standalone ice climbing pack or as a stow-away in your main gear pack, the Verte 25 gives you space and tool carry options for shorter ascents without the need to unload and strip down your big bag. The removable foam framesheet and hipbelt let you shed a few extra grams when going light is your top priority. • Self-stowing design stuffs into its own interior pocket • Top-loading design with single anodized hook closure • Zippered lid pocket • Under-lid zip security pocket • Twin daisy chains with removable hook-and-loop ice tool retainers • Contoured shoulder harness with low-profile padding • Removable foam framesheet / bivy pad • Removable hipbelt • Weight: 1.4 lbs. （630克） Body Dimensions: 14.2" x 11.0" x 2.0" 这是个软包，可以折叠成一个小包收纳。定位和鸟的Cierzo 28一样吧，便宜些。 |
| 本帖最后由 linlev 于 2016-8-19 00:00 编辑 大象 Trion Guide 35+7 / 45+7 ； Matterhorn 35+7      https://www.mammut.ch/US/en_US/B2C-Kategorie/Men/Equipment/Backpacks-and-Bags/Trion-Guide/p/2510-02202-3271 先说说，猛犸象的有几个Trion系列，这里没列完。 马特洪峰纪念版应该就是Guide的logo换了个颜色吧。 腰带可拆，背面拉链全部拉开后就是主仓了（参考下面trion pro的图片），兼容饮水系统。 另有45+7升的版本。 Designed and built for demanding alpine environments, the Mammut Trion Guide 35 Plus 7 Backpack is made with a robust, water-resistant nylon fabric and includes all the features needed to keep gear secure and organized. For comfort, the pack is fitted with Mammut's Motion Butterfly suspension system, while the pack's adjustable aluminum frame supports heavy loads. Access at the top and sides of the pack make access into the main compartment easy, and the height-adjustable lid can be raised when a little extra room is needed. The padded hip belt can be removed when wearing the pack with a harness, and straps on the sides and front of the bag will carry either skis, ices axes, or trekking poles.
Tech Specs Material [main] 420D nylon Tritan ripstop, [base] 600D nylon textura Volume 2135 cu in Support/Suspension Motion Butterfly, aluminum frame Waist Belt yes, removable Hydration Compatible yes Reservoir Included no Access top and side Gear Loops yes Ice Axe Carry yes Trekking Pole Carry yes Compression yes Claimed Weight 3.3 lbs Recommended Use alpine & expedition, climbing, alpine touring Manufacturer Warranty lifetime |
Trion Zip 28 这红色真是难看死了，另外有蓝色和黑色可选。 Made For The Modern Alpine Adventurer. Built to meet the demands of serious climbers, alpinists, and mountaineers, the Mammut Trion Zip 28 Backpack is a modern alpine pack that offers all the features needed to help you reach the top. Rope and ice axe storage options keep you ready for big wall climbs and icy summits alike, and a sturdy suspension system manages even your heaviest loads. The aluminum Motion V-Frame allows for comfortable, stable carrying even on your most gear-intensive missions. EVA padding on the back, shoulders, and hip belt provide lightweight cushioning, and the hip belt detaches so you can leave it at home when you're trying to shave weight. The hip belt is also narrow so it doesn't interfere with your climbing harness. Compression straps cinch down your load for better stability, and a large zippered flap opening offers easy access to your gear. 420D nylon fabric Motion V-Frame aluminum suspension system Stowable hip belt EVA back, hip belt, and shoulder padding Climbing-compatible narrow hip belt Hydration compatible Compression straps tension at side or front Rope attachment on flap, daisy chain Item #MAM00LL Tech Specs Material 420D nylon, DWR treatment, PU internal waterproofing layer Volume 1709 cu in Support/Suspension Motion V Frame (6mm aluminum, adjustable) Shoulder Straps EVA foam Waist Belt yes, detachable Hydration Compatible yes Reservoir Included no Access top Pockets 2 lid (1 external, 1 internal) Ice Axe Carry yes, dual Compression yes, side or front Claimed Weight 37.7 oz Recommended Use alpine climbing, multipitch climbing Manufacturer Warranty lifetime |
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